1 00:00:06,421 --> 00:00:09,221 RON: There's never been an inquiry of this scale 2 00:00:09,261 --> 00:00:11,101 in the annals of police history. 3 00:00:11,141 --> 00:00:14,021 He must speak with a Geordie accent. 4 00:00:14,061 --> 00:00:16,941 Anybody not meeting these five points, they're gone. 5 00:00:16,981 --> 00:00:19,301 Mr Peter Sutcliffe? 6 00:00:19,341 --> 00:00:21,901 DAVID: I do not think the man on the tape is the Ripper. 7 00:00:21,941 --> 00:00:23,861 You've made that clear. I want that on record. 8 00:00:23,901 --> 00:00:25,941 But you're wrong. This is starting to affect 9 00:00:25,981 --> 00:00:29,621 the public's confidence in the police as a whole, nationally. 10 00:00:29,661 --> 00:00:31,861 RON: The most wanted man of the century, 11 00:00:31,901 --> 00:00:35,901 more resources than anyone ever, and you have failed. 12 00:00:36,941 --> 00:00:38,261 I want to ask everyone 13 00:00:38,301 --> 00:00:42,741 to please help us find the person who killed my daughter. 14 00:00:42,781 --> 00:00:44,021 He won't be back in a hurry. 15 00:00:44,061 --> 00:00:47,141 MEG: No. But he'll turn up somewhere. 16 00:01:06,501 --> 00:01:08,501 HE SIGHS 17 00:01:08,541 --> 00:01:10,501 SUTCLIFFE: It's quiet enough here, isn't it? 18 00:01:10,541 --> 00:01:12,781 WOMAN: Yeah, it's fine. 19 00:01:12,821 --> 00:01:14,421 Come here all the time. 20 00:01:16,581 --> 00:01:18,301 We won't be disturbed. 21 00:01:22,301 --> 00:01:23,501 You got a tenner for me? 22 00:01:46,661 --> 00:01:48,221 Why don't we get in t'back? 23 00:01:49,901 --> 00:01:52,061 CAR APPROACHES 24 00:01:57,341 --> 00:01:59,621 Oh, no. 25 00:01:59,661 --> 00:02:01,061 Erm... 26 00:02:02,341 --> 00:02:03,741 You're my girlfriend. 27 00:02:22,981 --> 00:02:24,421 Is this your car, sir? 28 00:02:25,501 --> 00:02:26,621 Yes. 29 00:02:26,661 --> 00:02:28,701 Can you give me your name and address? 30 00:02:28,741 --> 00:02:33,021 I am John Williams. 65 Dorchester Road, Rotherham. 31 00:02:34,501 --> 00:02:35,741 And who's she? 32 00:02:37,141 --> 00:02:38,461 My girlfriend. 33 00:02:38,501 --> 00:02:39,901 And what's her name? 34 00:02:43,101 --> 00:02:45,381 I don't know. We've not known each other that long. 35 00:02:46,501 --> 00:02:47,901 Right. 36 00:02:49,621 --> 00:02:51,301 Just stay there. 37 00:02:59,021 --> 00:03:01,021 OFFICER: Just take the keys out of your car. 38 00:03:05,501 --> 00:03:07,261 2-5-6 to Control. 39 00:03:07,301 --> 00:03:09,261 RADIO: 'Control speaking.' 40 00:03:09,301 --> 00:03:11,021 Number plate check, please. 41 00:03:13,061 --> 00:03:14,941 'Roger that. Go ahead.' 42 00:03:14,981 --> 00:03:20,221 Yeah, it's foxtrot, echo, hotel, 9-0-7, Juliet. 43 00:03:20,261 --> 00:03:21,581 Over. 44 00:03:23,261 --> 00:03:26,421 'That's coming up as a Skoda saloon. 45 00:03:26,461 --> 00:03:30,021 'Owner is a Mr Aslam Khan. Over.' 46 00:03:33,701 --> 00:03:35,381 POLICE CAR DOOR CLOSES 47 00:03:35,421 --> 00:03:37,661 APPROACHING FOOTSTEPS 48 00:03:40,901 --> 00:03:43,461 Right, so, the number plates on your vehicle 49 00:03:43,501 --> 00:03:45,501 don't match that of the car itself. 50 00:03:45,541 --> 00:03:48,181 So what's gonna happen now is I'm gonna arrest you both 51 00:03:48,221 --> 00:03:49,541 on suspicion of theft. 52 00:03:49,581 --> 00:03:52,981 And if this turns out to be soliciting as well... 53 00:03:53,021 --> 00:03:55,581 Well, we'll get into that back at the station. 54 00:03:55,621 --> 00:03:57,461 OK? 55 00:03:57,501 --> 00:03:59,341 Right, out you get. 56 00:03:59,381 --> 00:04:00,701 We'll leave your car. 57 00:04:01,781 --> 00:04:04,381 You heard him. Let's go. Come on. Chop-chop. 58 00:04:04,421 --> 00:04:05,741 Come on. 59 00:04:07,661 --> 00:04:09,101 Yeah, stick them in the back. 60 00:04:17,021 --> 00:04:19,501 Where do you think you're going? I need a piss. 61 00:04:19,541 --> 00:04:21,501 Well, quickly, then. Do it over there. 62 00:04:41,061 --> 00:04:42,941 You've been in before, Olivia, haven't you? 63 00:04:44,061 --> 00:04:45,621 For prostitution. 64 00:04:46,821 --> 00:04:49,861 And that's what you were doing this evening when we picked you up. 65 00:04:51,221 --> 00:04:54,901 The fines get worse the more you deny it. You know they do. 66 00:04:54,941 --> 00:04:58,301 You've got two kids at home - it says so on here. 67 00:04:58,341 --> 00:05:01,421 So the more you sit there not saying owt, 68 00:05:01,461 --> 00:05:04,301 the more the food's coming off their table. 69 00:05:04,341 --> 00:05:05,581 Doesn't it? 70 00:05:06,781 --> 00:05:08,101 Doesn't it? 71 00:05:09,221 --> 00:05:12,181 Start by saying your name. 72 00:05:13,661 --> 00:05:15,061 You know my name. 73 00:05:15,101 --> 00:05:19,101 Nice and clearly, so PC Small here can write it down. 74 00:05:19,141 --> 00:05:22,621 "My name is Olivia Reivers." Go on. 75 00:05:24,141 --> 00:05:26,501 My name is Olivia Reivers. 76 00:05:26,541 --> 00:05:29,021 "I am a prostitute." 77 00:05:31,741 --> 00:05:32,901 I'm a prostitute. 78 00:05:32,941 --> 00:05:37,501 "And I am guilty, yet again guilty, of picking up a punter, 79 00:05:37,541 --> 00:05:41,021 "this time on the evening of January 2nd 1981." 80 00:05:41,061 --> 00:05:43,341 Go on, you tell the story. 81 00:05:45,901 --> 00:05:49,341 Got picked up this evening. For sex. Go on. 82 00:05:51,461 --> 00:05:53,061 For sex. 83 00:05:53,101 --> 00:05:54,581 £10. 84 00:05:54,621 --> 00:05:57,501 Got in his car, parked up. 85 00:05:58,701 --> 00:06:00,461 But that were it. 86 00:06:00,501 --> 00:06:02,541 Then that's when you came along. 87 00:06:03,661 --> 00:06:05,021 Right. 88 00:06:05,061 --> 00:06:06,821 Thank you. 89 00:06:06,861 --> 00:06:10,541 Right, if you just sign here, I'll let you go. 90 00:06:10,581 --> 00:06:13,861 You'll get a court date through. It'll likely mean another fine. 91 00:06:13,901 --> 00:06:15,301 More severe this time 92 00:06:15,341 --> 00:06:17,461 because it's repeat offences, you see. 93 00:06:17,501 --> 00:06:20,661 This is just what happens when you can't leave it alone. 94 00:06:26,461 --> 00:06:29,461 What about this bloke who picked you up? 95 00:06:29,501 --> 00:06:32,581 His car number plates weren't registered in his name. 96 00:06:33,701 --> 00:06:35,101 What's that got to do with me? 97 00:06:35,141 --> 00:06:39,621 Well, you've never met him, or he's not a regular, or...? 98 00:06:40,941 --> 00:06:42,581 I've no idea who he is. 99 00:06:43,781 --> 00:06:45,021 He's just some... 100 00:06:46,101 --> 00:06:48,061 ..just some ordinary guy. 101 00:06:48,101 --> 00:06:49,901 Mm. 102 00:06:51,261 --> 00:06:53,581 You've given your name as John Williams 103 00:06:53,621 --> 00:06:55,141 of Canklow, Rotherham. 104 00:06:57,021 --> 00:07:00,501 There is no John Williams of Canklow, Rotherham. 105 00:07:01,621 --> 00:07:04,941 So, come on. What's your real name? 106 00:07:08,981 --> 00:07:11,661 Sutcliffe. Peter William Sutcliffe. 107 00:07:13,261 --> 00:07:16,181 From? Garden Lane, Heaton. 108 00:07:16,221 --> 00:07:17,221 Bradford? 109 00:07:18,381 --> 00:07:19,421 Aye. 110 00:07:19,461 --> 00:07:23,741 Now, is that your real name and address, or are those more lies? 111 00:07:23,781 --> 00:07:25,461 No, no. You can check that. 112 00:07:26,621 --> 00:07:28,781 So why lie the first time, Peter? 113 00:07:28,821 --> 00:07:31,381 I said a fake name because I panicked. 114 00:07:32,901 --> 00:07:35,421 I regret that now. I should never have done it. 115 00:07:35,461 --> 00:07:38,421 Those plates on your car, they don't belong to you, do they? 116 00:07:40,221 --> 00:07:42,821 You stole them. Why? 117 00:07:42,861 --> 00:07:45,421 Didn't want people seeing you in red light areas. 118 00:07:45,461 --> 00:07:47,421 It's not against the law to go in t'red light area. 119 00:07:47,461 --> 00:07:50,581 We're not saying it is. It's whores who are criminals. 120 00:07:50,621 --> 00:07:52,381 We're not saying otherwise. 121 00:07:54,701 --> 00:07:58,061 We're asking why you'd be driving about with stolen plates. 122 00:08:02,181 --> 00:08:04,501 So you're admitting that you stole them, then? 123 00:08:19,621 --> 00:08:20,941 So, you've got that now? 124 00:08:22,981 --> 00:08:24,181 Sorry? 125 00:08:24,221 --> 00:08:26,541 I've admitted that, so you can charge me and let me go. 126 00:08:29,461 --> 00:08:31,461 Well, what's the big hurry, Peter? 127 00:08:31,501 --> 00:08:33,421 I just wanna get back. That's all. 128 00:08:33,461 --> 00:08:34,621 To Bradford? 129 00:08:34,661 --> 00:08:36,861 Yeah, to Bradford, aye. 130 00:08:40,341 --> 00:08:41,821 A lot of this Ripper business, 131 00:08:41,861 --> 00:08:43,461 that's been up Bradford way, hasn't it? 132 00:08:48,141 --> 00:08:49,501 Leach. 133 00:08:50,541 --> 00:08:51,701 Was that her name? 134 00:08:53,101 --> 00:08:55,821 The student. She were Bradford. 135 00:08:59,421 --> 00:09:02,101 You ever been questioned about the Ripper, Peter? 136 00:09:04,661 --> 00:09:06,781 What's so funny about that? 137 00:09:09,781 --> 00:09:11,021 Look at me. 138 00:09:14,221 --> 00:09:17,341 Have you been questioned or not? 139 00:09:19,421 --> 00:09:21,021 Everybody has. 140 00:09:23,221 --> 00:09:24,981 This one, is it? It's that one there. 141 00:09:25,021 --> 00:09:26,301 Right. 142 00:09:28,541 --> 00:09:29,901 DC Nunn. 143 00:09:31,781 --> 00:09:32,981 Where? 144 00:09:34,181 --> 00:09:36,461 Well, I doubt it. He's never done Sheffield. 145 00:09:36,501 --> 00:09:38,101 What accent's he got? 146 00:09:41,461 --> 00:09:43,981 At one in t'morning? You've no chance. 147 00:09:44,021 --> 00:09:45,941 No, there's nobody else here, 148 00:09:45,981 --> 00:09:48,821 and if there were, they'd tell you the same bloody thing. 149 00:09:48,861 --> 00:09:50,541 Well, bail him, then. 150 00:09:52,941 --> 00:09:55,781 Leeds won't send anyone. They're saying it's too late. 151 00:09:55,821 --> 00:09:57,341 So they're happy to bail him? 152 00:09:58,421 --> 00:10:01,661 Well, we can't keep him overnight, Des. Not on stolen plates. 153 00:10:01,701 --> 00:10:03,141 Especially if he's admitted it. 154 00:10:03,181 --> 00:10:05,381 Well, that wouldn't be the reason we're holding him. 155 00:10:05,421 --> 00:10:07,821 That'd be the excuse. 156 00:10:07,861 --> 00:10:09,941 We should follow their advice. 157 00:10:09,981 --> 00:10:11,821 Bob's right, sir. 158 00:10:11,861 --> 00:10:13,621 If Leeds aren't bothered, why should we be? 159 00:10:13,661 --> 00:10:17,701 Because we're here, and we can feel it. 160 00:10:17,741 --> 00:10:19,661 We can feel that something ain't right. 161 00:10:36,261 --> 00:10:38,861 SCRAPING 162 00:10:57,981 --> 00:10:59,621 I thought you were off home. 163 00:10:59,661 --> 00:11:02,061 Is it just me or is the car parked wrong? 164 00:11:02,101 --> 00:11:04,661 Punters usually park pointing away from the road 165 00:11:04,701 --> 00:11:07,541 to stop people seeing in when they're doing the business. 166 00:11:07,581 --> 00:11:09,261 He were facing out. Do you remember? 167 00:11:09,301 --> 00:11:12,021 Like he wanted a quick getaway. Maybe. 168 00:11:12,061 --> 00:11:13,941 Or he weren't wanting sex. 169 00:11:13,981 --> 00:11:17,301 So if he weren't wanting sex, what were he gonna do? 170 00:11:18,421 --> 00:11:20,981 But what with? Sorry? 171 00:11:21,021 --> 00:11:24,821 Well... if he's t'Ripper, he'd have had weapons on him, 172 00:11:24,861 --> 00:11:26,381 a hammer and... 173 00:11:27,581 --> 00:11:30,461 But we searched him, searched his car. He never had owt. 174 00:11:36,381 --> 00:11:37,701 Bob. 175 00:12:45,021 --> 00:12:47,981 PHONE RINGS 176 00:12:48,021 --> 00:12:49,261 Yeah, that's fine. 177 00:12:50,421 --> 00:12:52,901 OK, yep, checking for you now. 178 00:12:52,941 --> 00:12:54,981 Thanks. Bye. 179 00:12:55,021 --> 00:12:57,181 PHONES RINGING 180 00:12:59,581 --> 00:13:01,501 RINGING CONTINUES 181 00:13:10,821 --> 00:13:12,141 Ford Corsair. 182 00:13:21,821 --> 00:13:22,981 Look. 183 00:13:26,821 --> 00:13:28,501 God, Sue. 184 00:13:50,101 --> 00:13:51,741 I'll get the others. 185 00:14:00,541 --> 00:14:02,061 Morning. Morning. 186 00:14:04,341 --> 00:14:06,261 CLAMOURING 187 00:14:10,421 --> 00:14:11,701 Sue? 188 00:14:13,901 --> 00:14:15,461 Sue. 189 00:14:15,501 --> 00:14:16,901 What's happening? 190 00:14:18,021 --> 00:14:19,981 Have they... Have they got him? 191 00:14:21,061 --> 00:14:22,461 Think so. 192 00:14:31,501 --> 00:14:35,541 Right, so, they've kept him in, this fella, overnight. 193 00:14:35,581 --> 00:14:37,941 So, what they're saying is one of the coppers went back, 194 00:14:37,981 --> 00:14:40,821 had a look down by the side of these bins, you know, 195 00:14:40,861 --> 00:14:43,861 where they've nicked him, and that's where they've found it. 196 00:14:43,901 --> 00:14:44,901 Found what? 197 00:14:44,941 --> 00:14:49,621 Hammer and knife. Kitchen knife, same as he used on Rytka. 198 00:14:49,661 --> 00:14:51,821 Fucking 'ell. Phone Sheffield. 199 00:14:51,861 --> 00:14:53,461 Tell 'em I want that scene sterile. 200 00:14:53,501 --> 00:14:55,581 No more coppers tramping about and toing and froing. 201 00:14:55,621 --> 00:14:57,741 Well, no, look - to be fair, they did find the weapons. 202 00:14:57,781 --> 00:14:59,901 There's nothing to link the weapons to him, is there? 203 00:14:59,941 --> 00:15:01,901 not unless there's prints. Are there prints? 204 00:15:01,941 --> 00:15:03,901 Well, I mean, we've gotta wait. So where is he now? 205 00:15:03,941 --> 00:15:05,941 Well, they're bringing him to West Yorkshire 206 00:15:05,981 --> 00:15:07,341 so we can take over. 207 00:15:07,381 --> 00:15:08,901 All right. And these are his details? 208 00:15:08,941 --> 00:15:10,021 Yeah. 209 00:15:14,501 --> 00:15:16,261 Get me George Oldfield. 210 00:15:17,261 --> 00:15:18,861 Now, come on, what is it? 211 00:15:18,901 --> 00:15:20,821 Hm? This is everything we've worked towards. 212 00:15:20,861 --> 00:15:22,741 This is him. 213 00:15:22,781 --> 00:15:24,781 PHONE RINGS 214 00:15:28,061 --> 00:15:29,341 Grange Moor. 215 00:15:29,381 --> 00:15:33,501 George. Yeah... they think they've got him. 216 00:15:35,301 --> 00:15:38,141 'His name's Peter Sutcliffe. Lorry driver.' 217 00:15:38,181 --> 00:15:40,461 'They're getting him back to West Yorkshire as we speak.' 218 00:15:42,421 --> 00:15:45,061 We've been here before, Dick. 'Yeah, I know.' 219 00:15:47,541 --> 00:15:50,301 You have to be absolutely sure. 220 00:15:50,341 --> 00:15:52,461 'Agreed, but I'll get on it.' 221 00:15:52,501 --> 00:15:53,781 LINE DISCONNECTS 222 00:16:20,381 --> 00:16:21,901 Mrs Peter Sutcliffe? 223 00:16:21,941 --> 00:16:23,461 Can we have a word? 224 00:16:34,421 --> 00:16:37,421 Mrs Sutcliffe, your husband is in police custody. 225 00:16:37,461 --> 00:16:39,141 He was brought in last night in Sheffield, 226 00:16:39,181 --> 00:16:40,421 being transferred as we speak. 227 00:16:40,461 --> 00:16:43,861 TV NEWS PLAYS 228 00:16:46,021 --> 00:16:48,461 OK, listen love. 229 00:16:48,501 --> 00:16:50,541 I've got half the detectives in the north of England 230 00:16:50,581 --> 00:16:52,501 saying that your Peter is The Yorkshire Ripper - 231 00:16:52,541 --> 00:16:53,861 minds made up. 232 00:16:53,901 --> 00:16:56,501 So if there's anything you wanna tell me that might dissuade them 233 00:16:56,541 --> 00:16:59,541 from that opinion, anything at all, this is the time to say it. 234 00:17:09,181 --> 00:17:11,021 Do you mind if we ask a few questions? 235 00:17:12,061 --> 00:17:13,501 FAINT: Just some specifics. 236 00:17:15,181 --> 00:17:17,501 Would that be all right, Sonia? 237 00:17:19,821 --> 00:17:21,501 Do you mind if I call you Sonia? 238 00:17:33,461 --> 00:17:36,541 Sonia, I have a list of dates, 239 00:17:36,581 --> 00:17:39,421 so if you can think of any way to demonstrate... 240 00:17:39,461 --> 00:17:40,541 He would've been at work. 241 00:17:40,581 --> 00:17:42,821 Sorry? Or he was with me. 242 00:17:42,861 --> 00:17:47,021 But Mrs Sutcliffe, I haven't asked you the dates yet. 243 00:17:54,541 --> 00:17:56,861 TV PLAYS 244 00:18:01,661 --> 00:18:06,141 30th of the 10th, 1975. Now, we know that's five years ago. 245 00:18:06,181 --> 00:18:08,741 It's vitally important that we know the whereabouts of Peter. 246 00:18:18,741 --> 00:18:21,221 FAINT: Sonia, this is really... John. 247 00:18:26,941 --> 00:18:28,701 There's one missing. 248 00:18:33,221 --> 00:18:34,861 I'll call Millgarth. 249 00:18:42,181 --> 00:18:44,261 His name's in nominal three times, 250 00:18:44,301 --> 00:18:46,901 his car's in vehicle multiple times, 251 00:18:46,941 --> 00:18:49,141 and he's listed in triple-area sightings... 252 00:18:50,821 --> 00:18:53,901 We did our bit, you know? 253 00:18:53,941 --> 00:18:56,981 If it's him, then everything were logged and in the right places. 254 00:19:00,341 --> 00:19:01,661 It's all we could do. 255 00:19:03,141 --> 00:19:07,781 But if we did that, then they must've been out. 256 00:19:07,821 --> 00:19:10,341 They must've interviewed him already. They must've done. 257 00:19:10,381 --> 00:19:13,581 They did.... more than once. 258 00:19:13,621 --> 00:19:16,101 MAN: Far too many people stood around doing nothing 259 00:19:16,141 --> 00:19:18,461 when there's plenty of work to be done. 260 00:19:18,501 --> 00:19:19,741 So get on with it now! 261 00:19:25,541 --> 00:19:28,021 Have they asked you back in? No, but they will do. 262 00:19:28,061 --> 00:19:31,021 They won't want me sitting round here doing bugger all, will they? 263 00:19:33,141 --> 00:19:35,821 Let's not get ahead of ourselves. 264 00:19:39,581 --> 00:19:41,221 I will call you. 265 00:19:51,861 --> 00:19:53,421 CAR HORN BEEPS 266 00:19:53,461 --> 00:19:56,421 CLAMOURING, SHOUTING 267 00:20:01,781 --> 00:20:03,181 HORN BLARES Move! 268 00:20:25,141 --> 00:20:26,541 EXHALES DEEPLY 269 00:20:36,421 --> 00:20:38,141 The press are outside already. 270 00:20:40,461 --> 00:20:41,741 I'm speaking to them shortly. 271 00:20:42,861 --> 00:20:46,061 Yeah, I was just saying that he's coughed up, he's confessed... 272 00:20:46,101 --> 00:20:49,021 about ten minutes ago. He's admitted everything. 273 00:20:49,061 --> 00:20:52,461 He's admitted McCann, Jackson, Richardson. 274 00:20:52,501 --> 00:20:55,501 He's even admitted to doing another one after Barbara Leach. 275 00:20:56,901 --> 00:20:59,461 Now, apparently, he said that he were hoping to get bail. 276 00:20:59,501 --> 00:21:03,221 He said he were gonna get a cab to Sheffield, pick up them weapons, 277 00:21:03,261 --> 00:21:05,301 then he'd be in the clear. 278 00:21:05,341 --> 00:21:08,581 He... He said all that? What, just to two bobbies in Sheffield? 279 00:21:08,621 --> 00:21:10,221 Well, he wants it all off his chest. 280 00:21:11,701 --> 00:21:14,621 He said things about the Hill murder that only the killer could know. 281 00:21:14,661 --> 00:21:18,301 He said things... well, that nobody ever should know. 282 00:21:19,381 --> 00:21:20,581 Well, let's have it. 283 00:21:22,261 --> 00:21:23,501 Is he a Geordie? 284 00:21:23,541 --> 00:21:25,021 He's from Bradford. 285 00:21:25,061 --> 00:21:27,261 But his voice, Jim. 286 00:21:27,301 --> 00:21:29,421 Does he sound like a Geordie? 287 00:21:29,461 --> 00:21:32,221 He sounds like he's from Bradford. 288 00:21:56,421 --> 00:21:58,741 Hello. Afternoon. All right. 289 00:22:00,301 --> 00:22:01,861 George. 290 00:22:11,141 --> 00:22:14,821 We have, this afternoon, in this very building, 291 00:22:14,861 --> 00:22:17,901 detained a man on several counts of murder. 292 00:22:19,021 --> 00:22:23,061 We are questioning him in relation to The Ripper murders. 293 00:22:24,261 --> 00:22:28,701 It is expected that he will appear before the court tomorrow. 294 00:22:28,741 --> 00:22:30,861 JOURNALIST: Is it fair to say, then, 295 00:22:30,901 --> 00:22:33,181 that the hunt for The Ripper is over? 296 00:22:33,221 --> 00:22:34,261 'That's right.' 297 00:22:34,301 --> 00:22:36,541 'So, have you got any information on the man?' 298 00:22:36,581 --> 00:22:38,061 'Not at this stage.' 299 00:22:38,101 --> 00:22:40,421 JOURNALIST: 'Can you tell us if he's got a Geordie accent?' 300 00:22:40,461 --> 00:22:43,981 'I cannot tell you that because I've not heard him speak.' 301 00:22:44,021 --> 00:22:45,621 'Can you give us any details at all?' 302 00:22:45,661 --> 00:22:47,981 I can tell you that we are 303 00:22:48,021 --> 00:22:52,101 absolutely delighted with developments at this stage. 304 00:22:53,541 --> 00:22:55,221 'Absolutely delighted.' 305 00:22:55,261 --> 00:22:58,461 MAN: 'Now, please, gents. Smile for the camera.' 306 00:22:59,701 --> 00:23:01,541 'Really delighted.' 307 00:23:01,581 --> 00:23:03,221 'Give us a smile, George!' 308 00:23:03,261 --> 00:23:04,701 THEY LAUGH 309 00:23:04,741 --> 00:23:06,461 And George is delighted, as well. 310 00:23:06,501 --> 00:23:07,941 Are you delighted, George? 311 00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:12,221 Give us a smile, George! 312 00:23:13,541 --> 00:23:15,101 Absolutely delighted. 313 00:23:15,141 --> 00:23:16,741 LAUGHTER 314 00:23:36,701 --> 00:23:38,981 JOURNALIST: 'The time is twenty past six. 315 00:23:39,021 --> 00:23:40,541 'The headlines again. 316 00:23:40,581 --> 00:23:43,701 'Peter Sutcliffe, the man who became known as The Yorkshire Ripper, 317 00:23:43,741 --> 00:23:46,101 'was today sentenced at the Old Bailey 318 00:23:46,141 --> 00:23:49,621 'to life imprisonment for the murder of 13 women. 319 00:23:49,661 --> 00:23:51,341 'A lorry driver from Bradford, 320 00:23:51,381 --> 00:23:53,781 'Sutcliffe was a man so unremarkable 321 00:23:53,821 --> 00:23:57,381 'that for five years, he was able to elude the biggest manhunt 322 00:23:57,421 --> 00:23:58,901 'in criminal history. 323 00:23:58,941 --> 00:24:02,061 'During that time, he roamed freely across the north of England, 324 00:24:02,101 --> 00:24:04,621 'attacking and murdering women indiscriminately. 325 00:24:04,661 --> 00:24:06,501 'The judge, Mr Justice Boreham, 326 00:24:06,541 --> 00:24:09,541 'described Sutcliffe as an unusually dangerous...' 327 00:24:15,061 --> 00:24:18,021 DISTANT CHATTER 328 00:24:22,581 --> 00:24:24,621 KNOCK AT DOOR 329 00:24:32,941 --> 00:24:36,181 You've seen it all? That he admitted to it? 330 00:24:40,101 --> 00:24:41,421 Attacking you. 331 00:24:44,501 --> 00:24:47,701 So, now the trial's finished, I was thinking we could get started. 332 00:24:47,741 --> 00:24:49,421 We can get that compensation. 333 00:25:07,261 --> 00:25:09,341 They've said it's gonna be another couple of minutes 334 00:25:09,381 --> 00:25:12,901 before they come live to us here in the studio. 335 00:25:12,941 --> 00:25:15,101 A make-up woman's coming. 336 00:25:15,141 --> 00:25:17,541 Why would I need make up for a programme like this? 337 00:25:24,181 --> 00:25:27,741 PRESENTER: 'Let's see this opening. Erm, "Trial of the century..." ' 338 00:25:27,781 --> 00:25:29,021 I'll make us a tea. 339 00:25:31,141 --> 00:25:34,901 "Crime of the century" or "Trial of the century", Tony? 340 00:25:34,941 --> 00:25:36,661 I think I can say both, don't you? 341 00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:39,301 TONY: Yeah, sure. Shall we try that? 342 00:25:39,341 --> 00:25:42,261 You happy? Yeah, I think it might be a bit stronger. 343 00:25:42,301 --> 00:25:45,061 Yeah, trial and crime. Can you put that on the, erm... 344 00:25:46,501 --> 00:25:49,901 Put that on the autocue, and I'll see what that sounds like. 345 00:25:49,941 --> 00:25:52,141 MAN: Going live in five. Great, thank you. 346 00:25:53,221 --> 00:25:56,501 The crime and the trial of the century is over. 347 00:25:56,541 --> 00:25:58,981 The Yorkshire Ripper has been given a life sentence, 348 00:25:59,021 --> 00:26:01,381 and a five-year manhunt is finished. 349 00:26:01,421 --> 00:26:03,461 Yep, I think that's... Yeah, I think that's better. 350 00:26:03,501 --> 00:26:05,101 We'll go for that. It's stronger. 351 00:26:06,181 --> 00:26:07,861 'Er, it's a stronger opening.' 352 00:26:07,901 --> 00:26:10,621 BELL RINGS 353 00:26:10,661 --> 00:26:12,541 Don't be nervous, now. 354 00:26:12,581 --> 00:26:15,581 Just remember to say the things we spoke about. 355 00:26:15,621 --> 00:26:18,021 We've been through them a thousand times. 356 00:26:35,101 --> 00:26:38,221 The crime and trial of the century is over. 357 00:26:38,261 --> 00:26:40,701 The Yorkshire Ripper has been given a life sentence, 358 00:26:40,741 --> 00:26:43,221 and a five-year manhunt is finished. 359 00:26:43,261 --> 00:26:46,221 But the questions raised by that manhunt remain. 360 00:26:46,261 --> 00:26:49,861 How efficient was the hunt for The Yorkshire Ripper? 361 00:26:49,901 --> 00:26:53,541 Ronald Gregory is the chief constable of West Yorkshire Police. 362 00:26:53,581 --> 00:26:56,181 Irene MacDonald is the mother of Jayne MacDonald, 363 00:26:56,221 --> 00:26:58,741 murdered by The Ripper in 1977. 364 00:26:58,781 --> 00:27:02,621 And she very bravely has agreed to join us tonight in our Leeds studio. 365 00:27:02,661 --> 00:27:05,301 Ken Dwyer is a journalist who's been following the investigation 366 00:27:05,341 --> 00:27:07,501 from the very beginning, and his book on the case 367 00:27:07,541 --> 00:27:09,821 is now being rushed into print. 368 00:27:09,861 --> 00:27:13,301 Another parent, Mrs Doreen Hill, is the mother of Jacqueline, 369 00:27:13,341 --> 00:27:14,821 The Ripper's last victim. 370 00:27:14,861 --> 00:27:18,061 She understandably cannot face the prospect of visiting Leeds 371 00:27:18,101 --> 00:27:19,381 after what has happened, 372 00:27:19,421 --> 00:27:21,941 and so joins us from one of our London studios. 373 00:27:21,981 --> 00:27:23,501 Chief Constable, 374 00:27:23,541 --> 00:27:26,101 was any wild goose chase more wild 375 00:27:26,141 --> 00:27:28,901 than that which led the police to concentrate all its attention 376 00:27:28,941 --> 00:27:30,221 on the voice recording? 377 00:27:30,261 --> 00:27:32,501 And the fact that you instructed your men 378 00:27:32,541 --> 00:27:34,661 to discount anyone who didn't have a Geordie accent. 379 00:27:34,701 --> 00:27:35,701 That's not... 380 00:27:35,741 --> 00:27:38,661 Thus allowing The Ripper, who didn't have a Geordie accent, 381 00:27:38,701 --> 00:27:40,581 to go free for that much longer. 382 00:27:41,741 --> 00:27:45,461 'No, that's not true. You see, that's a miss-statement immediately. 383 00:27:45,501 --> 00:27:49,381 'We did not reject anyone who did not have a Geordie accent. 384 00:27:49,421 --> 00:27:53,861 'The decision on the tape was taken after very careful consideration 385 00:27:53,901 --> 00:27:56,901 'because the senior investigating officers were in a dilemma. 386 00:27:56,941 --> 00:27:59,301 'Had they chosen not to reveal the tape, 387 00:27:59,341 --> 00:28:02,421 'they may have faced much worse criticism. 388 00:28:02,461 --> 00:28:06,701 'So when they did reveal it, they had to be positive.' 389 00:28:06,741 --> 00:28:08,341 "They." 390 00:28:08,381 --> 00:28:10,501 But at no time was that the only point of elimination. 391 00:28:10,541 --> 00:28:13,221 But you were eliminating people who didn't have a Wearside accent. 392 00:28:13,261 --> 00:28:15,021 No, not solely on that. 393 00:28:16,141 --> 00:28:19,541 Mrs Hill, do you now feel able to say, 394 00:28:19,581 --> 00:28:22,341 "It's over, I have no more recriminations?" 395 00:28:24,501 --> 00:28:27,661 'There are aspects that I'm not happy about. 396 00:28:27,701 --> 00:28:31,541 'The handbag was found on the Monday evening.' 397 00:28:31,581 --> 00:28:34,701 But no-one bothered to look for its owner. 398 00:28:34,741 --> 00:28:37,421 When the detectives went to Jacqueline's body, 399 00:28:37,461 --> 00:28:39,461 they knew nothing at all about that handbag. 400 00:28:39,501 --> 00:28:41,901 Could Mr Gregory clarify that? 401 00:28:43,261 --> 00:28:44,581 'Mr Gregory?' 402 00:28:48,181 --> 00:28:50,221 'I can't remember exactly. 403 00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:53,781 'I know the handbag had been found. 404 00:28:53,821 --> 00:28:56,261 'But I cannot say with any accuracy 405 00:28:56,301 --> 00:28:59,141 'whether the detectives knew about it at the time.' 406 00:29:00,421 --> 00:29:01,981 'Mrs Hill, would you welcome an inquiry 407 00:29:02,021 --> 00:29:04,261 'into the way the police conducted the investigation?' 408 00:29:04,301 --> 00:29:06,661 Yes, I would. 409 00:29:06,701 --> 00:29:09,301 If there's going to be an inquiry, can I see the report? 410 00:29:09,341 --> 00:29:12,741 Would Mrs Hill be entitled to see that report? 411 00:29:13,981 --> 00:29:18,981 If Mrs Hill is dissatisfied with any aspect of the investigation, 412 00:29:19,021 --> 00:29:21,581 if she'd like to come and see us at any time, 413 00:29:21,621 --> 00:29:25,021 we could explain to her exactly what happened. 414 00:29:25,061 --> 00:29:27,501 Can I ask a simple question? No doubt you'll tell me I'm wrong. 415 00:29:27,541 --> 00:29:29,701 But could you not have done that earlier? 416 00:29:29,741 --> 00:29:32,061 Sent for Mrs Hill and Mrs MacDonald here 417 00:29:32,101 --> 00:29:35,781 and invited them in and set their minds at rest? 418 00:29:37,901 --> 00:29:40,501 Well, I don't know what they want to be reassured about. 419 00:29:40,541 --> 00:29:43,101 'This is the first I've heard of it.' 420 00:29:43,141 --> 00:29:44,701 'Really, Chief Constable? 421 00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:46,061 'You see no error 422 00:29:46,101 --> 00:29:49,061 'in the five-and-a-half-years investigation?' 423 00:29:49,101 --> 00:29:52,821 'Oh, there may have been errors. We are not infallible. 424 00:29:52,861 --> 00:29:55,261 'But you are not informed of what the police did.' 425 00:29:55,301 --> 00:29:57,501 I am informed about what you didn't do, 426 00:29:57,541 --> 00:29:59,021 and that's catch Peter Sutcliffe. 427 00:29:59,061 --> 00:30:01,781 Oh, I'm aware of that. That's pretty obvious. 428 00:30:01,821 --> 00:30:04,341 Though I'm glad that you welcome a public inquiry. 429 00:30:04,381 --> 00:30:05,781 No, I didn't say that. 430 00:30:05,821 --> 00:30:07,981 I would not resent an inquiry, 431 00:30:08,021 --> 00:30:12,141 but who did the inquiry and how it was conducted would be important. 432 00:30:12,181 --> 00:30:15,261 'You see, the public and so many commentators 433 00:30:15,301 --> 00:30:16,501 'have criticised the police 434 00:30:16,541 --> 00:30:19,781 'when they have not been privy to all that the police have done. 435 00:30:19,821 --> 00:30:23,301 'Until they are, they should reserve judgement and criticism.' 436 00:30:27,101 --> 00:30:28,541 Well, we are grateful to everyone 437 00:30:28,581 --> 00:30:30,301 who's taken part in tonight's discussion, 438 00:30:30,341 --> 00:30:32,901 but we're particularly mindful of the courage it must have taken 439 00:30:32,941 --> 00:30:37,061 for both Mrs MacDonald and Mrs Hill to speak out in public tonight. 440 00:30:37,101 --> 00:30:39,541 'Our thoughts must be with them 441 00:30:39,581 --> 00:30:42,821 'and with all the other relatives of the Ripper's victims. 442 00:30:42,861 --> 00:30:44,901 'From Leeds, good night.' 443 00:30:46,781 --> 00:30:49,221 CREW MEMBER: Everybody stay seated. 444 00:30:49,261 --> 00:30:51,341 Nice and still while the credits roll. 445 00:30:53,941 --> 00:30:55,341 BELL RINGS OK, thanks everyone. 446 00:30:55,381 --> 00:30:57,101 We're just waiting to hear from the gallery 447 00:30:57,141 --> 00:30:58,701 in case there's anything to pick up. 448 00:30:58,741 --> 00:31:01,061 CREW CHATTER 449 00:31:10,661 --> 00:31:12,421 What about the accent? 450 00:31:12,461 --> 00:31:14,261 What about the fact that our daughter was told 451 00:31:14,301 --> 00:31:15,981 that men in Yorkshire were safe? 452 00:31:17,101 --> 00:31:19,101 And why did they call him The Ripper? 453 00:31:19,141 --> 00:31:21,661 He said it over and over on TV, "The Ripper". 454 00:31:21,701 --> 00:31:23,261 Like that's his name. 455 00:31:23,301 --> 00:31:25,061 That's just what they say, love. No. 456 00:31:25,101 --> 00:31:27,701 That's what people used to say when they didn't know who he was. 457 00:31:27,741 --> 00:31:29,421 When they didn't know his name. 458 00:31:29,461 --> 00:31:31,741 But now they know his name, why don't they use it? 459 00:31:31,781 --> 00:31:34,461 Why do they have to say that wretched word? 460 00:31:40,861 --> 00:31:42,541 I'll get someone to take that thing off. 461 00:32:11,261 --> 00:32:13,701 "As Police Constable Andrew Laptew 462 00:32:13,741 --> 00:32:17,381 "sat in Sutcliffe's modestly furnished living room in Bradford, 463 00:32:17,421 --> 00:32:20,021 "he realised that everything the police knew about The Ripper 464 00:32:20,061 --> 00:32:21,821 "fitted the man he was questioning. 465 00:32:21,861 --> 00:32:25,701 "He became convinced Sutcliffe was The Ripper. 466 00:32:25,741 --> 00:32:27,301 "He submitted a report saying as much 467 00:32:27,341 --> 00:32:28,901 "to The Ripper headquarters in Leeds." 468 00:32:28,941 --> 00:32:31,821 Everything just "fitted", did it? It's not how it looks. 469 00:32:31,861 --> 00:32:34,981 Did everything just fall into place for Sherlock fucking Holmes? 470 00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:36,701 How much they pay you? They didn't. 471 00:32:36,741 --> 00:32:38,861 No? So why go round there? I didn't. 472 00:32:38,901 --> 00:32:40,221 To cover his arse. 473 00:32:40,261 --> 00:32:41,541 He met Sutcliffe, 474 00:32:41,581 --> 00:32:44,581 and then all he did was hand in some shitty bit of paper, and that's it. 475 00:32:44,621 --> 00:32:47,381 Three more lasses get butchered, and he's got to live with that then, 476 00:32:47,421 --> 00:32:49,341 the fact that he never followed up. 477 00:32:49,381 --> 00:32:51,301 And that is why he called 'em. Not true, sir. 478 00:32:51,341 --> 00:32:52,901 Make it known that it wasn't his fault. 479 00:32:52,941 --> 00:32:56,221 A journalist knocked on my door. He'd heard I'd put a report in. 480 00:32:56,261 --> 00:32:58,301 Said he'd got a tip. A tip-off? From who? 481 00:32:58,341 --> 00:32:59,541 No idea. But I said nothing. 482 00:32:59,581 --> 00:33:02,221 Is someone trying to protect you? Read the article. 483 00:33:02,261 --> 00:33:04,381 Cos you went round there... You'll find no quotes... 484 00:33:04,421 --> 00:33:07,141 Sat there and had a cup of tea with him in his front fucking room. 485 00:33:07,181 --> 00:33:09,261 I weren't the only one. Sorry? 486 00:33:09,301 --> 00:33:11,661 He'd been interviewed nine times. 487 00:33:14,381 --> 00:33:15,781 Nine? 488 00:33:16,941 --> 00:33:19,261 That's what they're saying. T'lasses in t'incident room. 489 00:33:19,301 --> 00:33:21,781 So what does it matter who spoke to what journalist, 490 00:33:21,821 --> 00:33:25,621 when nine times we went round there, and nine times we failed? 491 00:33:27,021 --> 00:33:29,181 Just like you failed when I handed you that report 492 00:33:29,221 --> 00:33:32,501 cos you were blinded by that tape, by that stupid accent. Careful. 493 00:33:32,541 --> 00:33:34,101 It's not me that's got to live with it, 494 00:33:34,141 --> 00:33:36,341 with them three dead girls, it's all of us. 495 00:33:36,381 --> 00:33:38,581 But it is you and Oldfield the most. 496 00:33:40,021 --> 00:33:42,301 You watch your fucking mouth. 497 00:33:52,261 --> 00:33:55,101 I want to create a substantial new role for you. 498 00:33:56,221 --> 00:33:59,021 A role befitting of an experienced chap like you, George. 499 00:33:59,061 --> 00:34:01,821 Chief of Operational Support. 500 00:34:01,861 --> 00:34:04,741 Running the engine room, for the whole of West Yorkshire. 501 00:34:06,541 --> 00:34:08,141 To oversee the policing of all vehicles 502 00:34:08,181 --> 00:34:11,421 and road-based transport in our portion of the county. 503 00:34:11,461 --> 00:34:12,621 Traffic. 504 00:34:12,661 --> 00:34:15,581 To oversee the safekeeping of criminal records and documentation. 505 00:34:15,621 --> 00:34:17,101 The library. 506 00:34:17,141 --> 00:34:20,941 And a full oversight of frogmen, police dogs and police horses. 507 00:34:20,981 --> 00:34:23,941 Animals. Frogmen aren't animals, George. 508 00:34:23,981 --> 00:34:25,941 They just have an animal in their name. 509 00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:27,261 Well, I won't do it. 510 00:34:28,941 --> 00:34:32,781 I'm not going from Head of CID to running the police farmyard. 511 00:34:34,061 --> 00:34:36,701 People'll think I've been fired. 512 00:34:43,381 --> 00:34:45,261 There's shit coming down the line, George. 513 00:34:46,301 --> 00:34:49,541 And before I retire, I want to make sure that you are protected. 514 00:34:53,181 --> 00:34:55,101 We attribute it to your health. 515 00:34:57,061 --> 00:34:58,861 Needn't be a reflection of you and your team. 516 00:35:01,141 --> 00:35:02,861 What about Dick? 517 00:35:02,901 --> 00:35:05,181 I'll find something for Dick. 518 00:35:05,221 --> 00:35:06,661 Oh, well... 519 00:35:08,021 --> 00:35:10,821 ..you know, if there's shit coming down the line, 520 00:35:10,861 --> 00:35:14,181 then you put as many people in the way of it as you can, eh? 521 00:35:15,701 --> 00:35:17,341 Don't hold back. 522 00:35:20,781 --> 00:35:24,061 Oh, Margaret wanted to know if those gifts had arrived. 523 00:35:24,101 --> 00:35:25,701 For Grace's birthday. 524 00:35:25,741 --> 00:35:27,061 Oh, I don't know, George. 525 00:35:28,741 --> 00:35:30,861 That's very kind of her. I shall ask. 526 00:35:30,901 --> 00:35:33,101 Well, she's good like that, my wife. 527 00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:36,501 Considerate. 528 00:35:39,781 --> 00:35:41,341 DOOR OPENS 529 00:35:55,661 --> 00:35:57,941 Mr Byford, Mr Nevill. Morning. 530 00:35:57,981 --> 00:36:00,701 If you want to follow me, I can show you upstairs? 531 00:36:00,741 --> 00:36:01,901 Thank you. Yep. 532 00:36:03,861 --> 00:36:06,141 You are a bit earlier than we expected, 533 00:36:06,181 --> 00:36:07,541 but, er, we're nearly ready. 534 00:36:08,981 --> 00:36:11,061 This is Mr Byford, 535 00:36:11,101 --> 00:36:13,261 he'll be doing the official inquiry. Hello. 536 00:36:13,301 --> 00:36:14,541 Hello. OFFICER: Sir. 537 00:36:15,701 --> 00:36:19,621 Did you ladies work on the inquiry, or are you just packing things up? 538 00:36:22,901 --> 00:36:24,581 We did our share, sir. 539 00:36:25,701 --> 00:36:28,221 Mr Byford requested you draw all accounts from your system 540 00:36:28,261 --> 00:36:29,701 that might relate to Sutcliffe. 541 00:36:29,741 --> 00:36:32,061 Vehicles, Photofits, anything you might think relevant. 542 00:36:32,101 --> 00:36:34,141 Yes, sir. Follow me. 543 00:36:36,221 --> 00:36:38,141 Statements, sightings, 544 00:36:38,181 --> 00:36:40,901 any other paperwork, we've boxed up and we've put in this office 545 00:36:40,941 --> 00:36:43,861 cos, well, it's more private in here. 546 00:36:48,021 --> 00:36:51,501 These Photofits go back from 1972. 547 00:36:51,541 --> 00:36:53,581 These are from the women who survived. 548 00:36:53,621 --> 00:36:57,661 The women he attacked or followed or chased. 549 00:36:59,421 --> 00:37:01,581 The ones he left for dead. 550 00:37:01,621 --> 00:37:04,301 These are what they said they saw. 551 00:37:04,341 --> 00:37:07,741 But not all of the women were believed. 552 00:37:07,781 --> 00:37:12,501 And these two photos, sir, these are of Sutcliffe himself. 553 00:37:13,621 --> 00:37:16,421 Er, this one from January. 554 00:37:16,461 --> 00:37:21,621 And this one from when he was arrested in '69. 555 00:37:23,901 --> 00:37:25,581 Arrested in '69? 556 00:37:25,621 --> 00:37:27,861 For going equipped. 557 00:37:27,901 --> 00:37:31,021 He was caught, late at night, carrying a hammer. 558 00:37:35,421 --> 00:37:36,941 That's when he started. 559 00:38:29,381 --> 00:38:30,741 KNOCK AT DOOR 560 00:38:33,221 --> 00:38:35,021 Richard McCann? 561 00:38:35,061 --> 00:38:37,021 Is this about our Sonia? What's she done now? 562 00:38:37,061 --> 00:38:38,901 She only left the house about an hour ago. 563 00:38:38,941 --> 00:38:40,261 Are you the son of Wilma McCann? 564 00:38:42,101 --> 00:38:44,141 I'm Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Gregg. 565 00:38:44,181 --> 00:38:46,501 I was a young detective on the Peter Sutcliffe case. 566 00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:48,821 Sorry, but what's this...? 567 00:38:48,861 --> 00:38:50,741 Because I find these things... 568 00:38:50,781 --> 00:38:52,341 Can I come in? 569 00:38:57,501 --> 00:38:59,941 I've been visiting all the next of kin, 570 00:38:59,981 --> 00:39:03,181 those related to the victims, as we've had a development. 571 00:39:04,821 --> 00:39:08,501 A few years ago, we arrested a man for being drunk and disorderly. 572 00:39:08,541 --> 00:39:09,901 As a result of his conviction, 573 00:39:09,941 --> 00:39:11,621 he had to provide us with a DNA sample 574 00:39:11,661 --> 00:39:13,581 for the National Database. 575 00:39:13,621 --> 00:39:15,901 Because I'm now Chief Super, 576 00:39:15,941 --> 00:39:19,621 and because this case really matters to me, 577 00:39:19,661 --> 00:39:22,541 I make sure to run DNA tests every few years, you see. 578 00:39:22,581 --> 00:39:23,941 Tests on what? 579 00:39:23,981 --> 00:39:26,821 On the man who wrote the letters. 580 00:39:27,901 --> 00:39:29,901 There were never any prints, but recently, 581 00:39:29,941 --> 00:39:32,061 we found DNA where he licked the envelope. 582 00:39:32,101 --> 00:39:35,461 So two weeks ago, we ran the tests, 583 00:39:35,501 --> 00:39:37,381 and we found a direct match 584 00:39:37,421 --> 00:39:40,261 with the man who we'd arrested for being drunk and disorderly. 585 00:39:41,301 --> 00:39:43,261 That man... 586 00:39:43,301 --> 00:39:44,661 is the man on the tape. 587 00:39:46,261 --> 00:39:47,261 The man... 588 00:39:47,301 --> 00:39:49,581 The man who sent the tape. 589 00:39:52,221 --> 00:39:53,421 He's owned up to it. 590 00:39:55,461 --> 00:39:59,021 Said that it was him, that he regrets it, 591 00:39:59,061 --> 00:40:00,421 the damage that he's caused... 592 00:40:00,461 --> 00:40:02,381 Wait. No, no, no. I, er... 593 00:40:05,301 --> 00:40:07,701 I need to hear him. Hear his voice. 594 00:40:07,741 --> 00:40:09,781 I-I need to... Is there any way that you...? 595 00:40:09,821 --> 00:40:11,861 Yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm here. 596 00:40:11,901 --> 00:40:13,901 Do you mind if I use your DVD player? No. 597 00:40:13,941 --> 00:40:15,221 It's just to show you, 598 00:40:15,261 --> 00:40:17,261 like I'm showing all the other friends and family. 599 00:40:17,301 --> 00:40:20,261 But only if it'll help. You don't have to. 600 00:40:24,261 --> 00:40:27,021 His name is John Humble. He's from Sunderland. 601 00:40:28,821 --> 00:40:30,021 We had him read out the letters 602 00:40:30,061 --> 00:40:32,221 in case he later withdrew his confession. 603 00:40:32,261 --> 00:40:33,861 'We've got a transcript here. 604 00:40:33,901 --> 00:40:36,261 'Would you read that for us please, John? Back in...' 605 00:40:36,301 --> 00:40:39,981 'That's if I can see it. My eyes are a bit dodgy, you know.' 606 00:40:40,021 --> 00:40:41,541 'Take your time.' 607 00:40:41,581 --> 00:40:43,461 ' "I'm Jack. 608 00:40:43,501 --> 00:40:47,341 ' "I see you are still having no luck catching me. 609 00:40:47,381 --> 00:40:52,101 ' "I have the greatest respect for you, George, but, Lord! 610 00:40:52,141 --> 00:40:57,581 ' "You are no nearer catching me now than four years ago, when I started. 611 00:40:59,541 --> 00:41:02,661 ' "I reckon your boys are letting you down, George. 612 00:41:02,701 --> 00:41:05,981 ' "They can't be much good, can they? 613 00:41:06,021 --> 00:41:07,621 ' "The only time they came near..." ' 614 00:41:07,661 --> 00:41:09,101 RECORDING STOPS 615 00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:11,341 That's him. 616 00:41:13,261 --> 00:41:14,421 The voice. 617 00:41:17,781 --> 00:41:19,301 The man who killed Mum. 618 00:41:20,381 --> 00:41:21,421 No, no. 619 00:41:21,461 --> 00:41:23,541 He's just the man who... No, no... 620 00:41:23,581 --> 00:41:25,701 Maybe not for you, but for me. 621 00:41:27,421 --> 00:41:30,341 D'you know, when they first caught Sutcliffe, no-one bothered. 622 00:41:32,861 --> 00:41:34,661 They were busy patting each other on the back, 623 00:41:34,701 --> 00:41:37,621 but no-one actually came to tell me and Sonia, so thank you. 624 00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:44,861 Why... 625 00:41:46,341 --> 00:41:48,861 ..did he do that? Why did he send the tape? 626 00:41:48,901 --> 00:41:50,941 You must have asked him. Yeah. 627 00:41:50,981 --> 00:41:52,341 And...? 628 00:41:53,501 --> 00:41:55,261 Notoriety. 629 00:41:57,101 --> 00:41:59,061 And everything he said on the tape, 630 00:41:59,101 --> 00:42:02,821 every word and every detail that he put down in those letters, 631 00:42:02,861 --> 00:42:04,541 it was all there in the papers already. 632 00:42:04,581 --> 00:42:08,861 It was all there for him to read and write down 633 00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:10,701 and pass off as his own. 634 00:42:10,741 --> 00:42:12,781 And my predecessors, they never worked that out. 635 00:42:12,821 --> 00:42:14,501 And, erm... you know... 636 00:42:16,381 --> 00:42:17,661 ..I only wish they had. 637 00:42:32,741 --> 00:42:34,341 MAN: Hello, mate. 638 00:42:34,381 --> 00:42:36,341 'People often ask me... 639 00:42:37,701 --> 00:42:42,941 '.."how you do you even begin to get over something like that?" ' 640 00:42:44,221 --> 00:42:48,221 And, erm, "What it's like, being a survivor?" 641 00:42:48,261 --> 00:42:49,981 HE SCOFFS 642 00:42:50,021 --> 00:42:52,061 We're not survivors. We're surviving. 643 00:42:52,101 --> 00:42:55,301 It's a, er... What do you call it? 644 00:42:55,341 --> 00:42:56,981 A work in progress. 645 00:42:57,021 --> 00:42:58,901 We're managing. 646 00:42:58,941 --> 00:43:00,341 The good days... 647 00:43:01,461 --> 00:43:03,781 ..and the bad days. 648 00:43:03,821 --> 00:43:04,941 And, erm... 649 00:43:04,981 --> 00:43:07,301 the best we can hope for is that very rare thing. 650 00:43:07,341 --> 00:43:08,821 The odd day, when you're working... 651 00:43:08,861 --> 00:43:11,141 I'm a motivational speaker these days. 652 00:43:12,501 --> 00:43:14,781 But whatever it might be, when... 653 00:43:16,621 --> 00:43:18,461 ..when it doesn't cross your mind. 654 00:43:21,181 --> 00:43:23,581 Or at least you think it doesn't, and... 655 00:43:23,621 --> 00:43:25,581 till right before bedtime, 656 00:43:25,621 --> 00:43:27,741 when it pops into your head, and you think... 657 00:43:27,781 --> 00:43:31,341 "Oh, God... I nearly made it through." 658 00:43:35,941 --> 00:43:37,021 Sorry. 659 00:43:46,821 --> 00:43:48,621 Our mum were never a prostitute. 660 00:43:50,701 --> 00:43:53,701 Yes, she liked a drink, and-and... 661 00:43:53,741 --> 00:43:55,061 yes, she had boyfriends. 662 00:43:55,101 --> 00:43:57,381 She-She probably got up to all sorts. 663 00:43:57,421 --> 00:44:00,461 The point is, the police never bothered to check. 664 00:44:02,061 --> 00:44:03,541 Those men in charge, 665 00:44:03,581 --> 00:44:06,341 they were more fixed on finding out who he was. 666 00:44:06,381 --> 00:44:09,261 They never even bothered to find out who Mum was. 667 00:44:09,301 --> 00:44:10,901 And it was the same for the rest of them. 668 00:44:12,341 --> 00:44:14,021 The police, they showed up, 669 00:44:14,061 --> 00:44:18,341 and they saw a crime scene, and they saw a victim. 670 00:44:18,381 --> 00:44:22,741 But what very few of them ever actually saw were the women. 671 00:44:27,661 --> 00:44:29,141 And that's what's important now. 672 00:44:31,541 --> 00:44:33,381 We want to make those women visible. 673 00:44:35,301 --> 00:44:36,661 We want to see 'em in colour. 674 00:44:39,901 --> 00:44:44,821 We want to bring them out of that... that same long shadow. 675 00:47:14,701 --> 00:47:16,701 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com